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Re: [MPlayer-users] .wma audio fails to play - an example


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Subject: Re: [MPlayer-users] .wma audio fails to play - an example
From: Raphael Clifford <raphael@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:21:16 +0100
In-reply-to: <200307271418.27368.ghunt@cogeco.ca>
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GS HUNT wrote:

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Thanks for the info.

Just for the record my suggestion was pretty much the opposite of what
you refer to.  The idea is to be able to play drm protected audio (that
you have paid for) in linux *without* contacting Microsoft the whole
time and feeding the beast.  The problem is Windows media player/Windows
and it's privacy breaches.  If we could do the the whole thing in linux
we could have control over what gets sent to whom and when.  Sadly, we
can't do it technically but if we could it would be good I think.

Does anyone know where one get the specs for this encrypted .wma codec
if they are available?

Raphael



Heh! We'd all like those specs ! (Sorry I don't know... and if I did .. they'd be obsolete by the time I posted them)

I'd like to be able to play music payed for too in Linux...but that is exactly what Micro$oft doesn't want.. I know you don't consider yourself feeding the beast but consider the following.

If someone develops a codec that plays these files freely..they'll just come up with another way to protect them. (The developers of Mplayer will be facing an ongoing battle for years to keep up.) (Let's just not support this. I'll only buy music if it comes as a simple non-encrypted mp3 or ogg file)

There is pressure to in the United States to criminalize any software or hardware devices that do not support Digital Rights Management, and those which can reverse-engineer the DRM protocols. By coming up with codecs to do just that could put more fuel on the fire to get this idea made law. Ultimately, if this law was passed it could mean that using Linux would be illegal, and giving micro$oft an unparalell monopoly.

I think the way to encode these DRM files is not to support them at all.. and to encourage others to do the same. Eventually with luck they will just go away.

Gary



Hi,


I understand your point and don't think it is a bad one politically. For this to work you really need a number of things
1) An active campaign to
a) Encourage people not to buy DRM protected audio/video
b) Explain why they shouldn't
c) Write to those who sell DRM stuff explaining what is going on and where you will be buying products from instead


You also have a particular problem in the US I know. For this you need an active political movement that will write to politicians explaining what your views are and that you will not vote for them if they support criminalising reasonable behaviour and go against the tenets of freedom of action and choice that Americans are always talking about. I know this is difficult in a country where the political and media classes are united but you can only try :)

I think we could start with www.buymusic.com except that you can't even go to their website with IE! To get into the website on linux simply disable javascript. Then go to http://www.buymusic.com/support/email.aspx and get writing!

My interest in the previous posts was technical. I want to know what the technical obstacles are that we would need to overcome to play these .wma files. I suppose I'm just very interested in encryption :)


Cheers, Raphael

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